Keith Devens .com

How are you not paying taxes?

BTW, Steve, even wage-slaves pay estimated taxes - they have it withheld and can't even earn interest on the money. But then most wage-slaves feel like they're getting some sort of bonus if they get a refund. Everybody should have to pay taxes like sole-proprietors (or similar) - then they'll really appreciate how ridiculously widespread, convoluted, and excessive taxes and the government are.

But then most wage-slaves feel like they're getting some sort of bonus if they get a refund.

Indeed. The government essentially stole money from you.

How are you not paying taxes?

I'm a poor college student and haven't been earning enough money to make me pay taxes That should be about to change, and I can't wait

I wouldn't exactly call it "stealing". Unless you're referring to the vast amount of pork barrel waste government is responsible for and for which taxes go toward. Taxes didn't always used to be withheld - everybody used to have to send payment in - of course, a lot of people didn't save and couldn't come up with the money. Government gets away with far far more than the nastiest, vilest, shadiest "corporation" (affect condescending leftie tone) ever does.

I thought you owned a house. That's not exactly "poor".

Oh, if you're not paying taxes then you're probably qualifying for the earned income credit (you can probably thank the Democrats for that).

Sure it's stealing. At the very least they owe you interest. You're essentially giving the government an interest-free loan, against your will.

I don't own a house... I still live at home and commute to school.

It's not stealing.

At the very least they owe you interest. You're essentially giving the government an interest-free loan, against your will.

Absolutely. But then again, that's the hugely inefficient and common-sense lacking government for you. The same government that can't invest Social Security money.

I don't own a house... I still live at home and commute to school.

Oh - I thought I remembered reading on your blog that you were moving and needed to sell your house.

There you go with your merely asserting your position again. The government at least stole the value of what you could have earned in interest on the money. It possibly stole much worse from you, from the best you could have done by investing the money, to intangibles like a vacation you couldn't afford because the government took your money unjustly.

I thought I remembered reading on your blog that you were moving and needed to sell your house.

Yep. I don't own the house though

And I'll say it again - it's not stealing. Go look up stealing in a dictionary - you clearly don't understand what it means. By your logic, you'd say a bank is "stealing" from you when they pay you 0.5% in your savings account when you could be making 2.5%

Also, go look up the term justly - the government has laws that allow it to demand your money legally.

Go look up stealing in a dictionary

Ok:

to take the property of another wrongfully

Sounds like what we're talking about.

Stealing is against the law. Taxes aren't. Withholding isn't.

Careful asking for tax cuts. The government isn't reducing expenditures to pay for them; instead they're just borrowing money in the financial markets.

My brother is up in arms over the estate tax (even though he's not really impacted). And he's fist-pumping over the administration's action on reducing it. But... trust me here-- the revenues lost from the estate tax will be made up elsewhere, or it will be borrowed.

I hate paying taxes as much as the next guy. Hate it. But what I really want is for my government to not waste my tax money.

Wow, I don't know anybody but the most left-wing flaming money-grubbing Democrat socialist who doesn't think abolishing the egregious estate tax is good.

Stealing is against the law. Taxes aren't. Withholding isn't.

We're not talking about all taxes, we're talking about the government taking taxes wrongfully. Also, you do understand that there's a difference between legal and moral?

Careful asking for tax cuts. The government isn't reducing expenditures to pay for them; instead they're just borrowing money in the financial markets. ... I hate paying taxes as much as the next guy. Hate it. But what I really want is for my government to not waste my tax money.

I'm with you there! Tax cuts should go hand in hand with spending reductions, but... only government, I guess. That's been one of my biggest criticisms of the Bush administration. But the death tax is one of the most unjust taxes I can imagine, and I'm really glad to see it go.

We're not talking about all taxes, we're talking about the government taking taxes wrongfully. Also, you do understand that there's a difference between legal and moral?

You're equating taxes and withholding with shoplifting. Aint so.

I'm a poor college student and haven't been earning enough money to make me pay taxes Smiley That should be about to change, and I can't wait

You don't work? Jeez, I went to school full-time, had my own place, and worked about 35 hours/week.

You're equating taxes and withholding with shoplifting. Aint so.

Like I said, just because it's legal doesn't make it right.

The estate tax is double taxation, and that's my fundamental problem with it. It should be eliminated.

Unfortunately, the US is backed into a corner now and can't afford to cut any taxes unless they are accompanied by equivalent spending reductions.

I would rather pay my ridiculously high and unfair taxes right now than have my country get pounded by a financial crisis. Thanks to other choices we made as a country, we don't have many other options. To argue otherwise suggests denial or recklessness. That was my point above, which asdf managed to mangle.

That was my point above, which asdf managed to mangle.

Don't mind him. He mangles a lot of stuff. He seems singularly unable to follow any line of argument. Kind of freaks me out a little.

LOL, there you go with ad hominem again. YOu really are a terribly inconsistent arguer - grasping at anything.

I don't own a house... I still live at home

Just curious, how old are you?

there you go with ad hominem again.

Regardless, like I said, you seem remarkably unable to follow any line of argument, so there's not much point in arguing with you anymore, about anything. You're now officially the second most annoying commenter I've ever had here, and I'd appreciate it if you'd go away.

You're only describing yourself. Who was your #1 "most annoying commentor"? Not that I'm annoying, by any stretch...