Keith Devens .com

Bush has not only said worse things, but he has done worse things.

Uh, ok. If you say so, anonymous guy.

Keith, I am with you on that anonymous commenter. Such a typical donkey (my crude name for democrats) thing to say. Just state that Bush (or whatever Republican is in office) has done worse and then end it there. Pathetic...

Um, WMD's? And not acknowleding the mistake, when by now the probability that they every existed is quickly approaching zero? And if we're jumping on people's words here, I don't even need to mention the countless other fumbles that Bush has made with words -- admit it, he's not the most eloquent speaker. At least Kerry's instinct is to think over what he just said and correct himself. And also, the fact that Bush needs Cheney at his elbow to testify before the 9/11 comission is pretty laughable.

Micah, you seem to be missing the point. This is about Kerry. To shift the focus to Bush just shows your bias and proves Erik's point correct.

At least Kerry's instinct is to think over what he just said and correct himself.

I think that needs correction. Kerry's instinct was to support the man who had been inciting people to violence against Americans and who was that day helping to kill our troops. He then backtracked when he realized what had escaped his mouth was indefensible.

It seems clear where his true loyalties lie on that issue, as well as what his feelings are about groups like Hamas and Hizballah.

I misread Erik's post; I thought he was asking us to state once and for all what Bush had done wrong.

Go back and read your recent post on lynch mobs; it suggests that there is no black and white in calling people terrorists or non-terrorists, so I think Kerry's instinct is fundamentally correct: Hamas and Hizballah may be using terrorists tactics, but they are motivated by legitimate grievances and enjoy the support of many (a majority?) of the Palestinian people. Do you think if the Palestinians were enfranchised and those groups put forward candidates, that they would not be elected to the Israeli parliament? I hope that, like the lynch mobs of old, they will be convinced join the democratic mainstream -- with Israeli cooperation -- where they will either die out, or become moderate voices in a system that listens and responds to the needs of their people.

it suggests that there is no black and white in calling people terrorists or non-terrorists

I don't think so. Lynching^[1] can certainly be used as a form of terrorism. However, this isn't relevant to the current topic because that post wasn't about terrorism. It was about mob behavior and how the type of lynching that happened in Fallujah isn't necessarily a purely Iraqi or Islamic phenomenon. You're also confusing labeling people terrorists with labeling organizations terrorist organizations.

legitimate grievances

The stated goal of Hamas and Hizballah is the destruction of Israel. That is not a "legitimate grievance".

Footnotes:
[1]: For future reference, this is the post Micah is referring to

I won't argue semantics, thanks for the reply though.

Kerry is one of the bigest liars i have ever heard of
How stupide can on person be im mean really
I dont have 4 SUV's their my families
then later he admeted that he did have four suv's god what a liar then in an interview he said that he did not think terrorist ment to hurt anyone
They were just trying to make a point
Ya right do we really want a president who will not do anything if there is another terroist actack think about it
Bush is at least trying to help america and he has not yet lied Kerry who is not even president yet has lied about morew things than someone could even count
Imagine if he became president the world would be in huge trouble would we have world
he would lie so much that little kids will lie
to we will have criminals all over the street
the world would come to an end if he is president

Sheesh, what was that? Speak English man.