Keith Devens .com

I'm not gonna pick sides here.

There are plenty of Palestinians dying in Israel (or the occupied teritories at least). Count is something like 4 or 5 times as many Palestinians killed by Israelis than Israelis killed by Palestinians over the past 5 years, with sizable (and roughly proportionate) civilian losses on both sides.

The whole situation is highly messed up - I wouldn't want to assign a moniker of righteousness to either side.

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You'd have to show me the stats on the death rates. I thought it was something like five to one, the five being innocent Israeli men, women, and children, and the one being Palestinian terrorists who delight in blowing up buses with children on them.

Even so, I think the death rates are pretty much irrelevant. You can't play the moral equivalency game when you're dealing with genocidal maniacs who teach their children to hate Jews and Israel, and delight in the murder of innocents. These are the people who cheered and gave out candy when our Trade Center and Pentagon were attacked, and again recently when murderers blew up a bus and killed innocent women and children.

Maybe they are both, confusingly. Maybe it's something like a palestinian suicide bomber kills 5 israeli civilians on average, but if you look at the overall deaths from the conflict, you get 1 israeli death for every palestinian. But that's just pointless speculation. Anyway, I still hold out for the day Sharon has to go to court to account for his part in invading Lebanon.

Hehehe: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&u=/030914/161/59jhd.html&e=3

Hahaha. Yeah, he has this weird giggly wave he does - that's a picture mid-giggly wave.

I think that gross generalizations like: "You can't play the moral equivalency game when you're dealing with genocidal maniacs who teach their children to hate Jews and Israel, and delight in the murder of innocents." Do you not see anything hypocritical in your statement? What evidence do you have that these are commonly held feelings and not statements by extremists picked for their political value?

Stats are available here (http://www.btselem.org/), an Israeli group. They have detailed information on killings in the occupied territories over the past decade. A good statistic to take completely out of context is that in the past 3 years, more Palestinian children (minors) have been killed by Israelis than all Israelis killed by Palestinians.

I'd be very reluctant to assign the moral high ground to either side in this ongoing mess.

The Palestinians' explicit goal is the elimination of the state of Israel and the extermination of all Jews. I feel no compunction in choosing sides.

As for evidence that these aren't misleading statements from extremists on the other side, a quick scan of the Little Green Footballs home page turned up this sample of 10 and 11 year old girls who want to become suicide bombers to kill Jews. Or how about this slideshow showing the cult of death and Jew hatred that the children there are brought up in. People don't have any problems choosing sides against groups like the KKK or the Nazis, yet the Palestinians get a pass for some reason.

Because

a) the KKK is not an entire group of people under military occupation

A better logic would be demonizing black people because of the activities of the Black Panthers in the 70s.

I'm not giving the Palestinians 'a pass'. But I'm not absolving the IDF of killing thousands of Palestinians. When your 'pinpoint assassination' attempts bring down half a neighborhood and kill a bunch of kids and old people, you aren't righteous.

Why are you so inclined to give the IDF a pass for indiscrimately killing Palestinian civilians while trying to put down extremist groups?

Like I said, I think there's plenty of guilt to spread around.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Neither do three or four or five or a thousand. Neither side get's a pass from me.

And if you put the blame on 10 and 11 year old girls, or somehow mark them as legitimate targets for military action, you've lost all sense of morality.

Because

a) the KKK is not an entire group of people under military occupation

A better logic would be demonizing black people because of the activities of the Black Panthers in the 70s.

I'm not giving the Palestinians 'a pass'. But I'm not absolving the IDF of killing thousands of Palestinians. When your 'pinpoint assassination' attempts bring down half a neighborhood and kill a bunch of kids and old people, you aren't righteous.

Why are you so inclined to give the IDF a pass for indiscrimately killing Palestinian civilians while trying to put down extremist groups?

Like I said, I think there's plenty of guilt to spread around.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Neither do three or four or five or a thousand. Neither side get's a pass from me.

And if you put the blame on 10 and 11 year old girls, or somehow mark them as legitimate targets for military action, you've lost all sense of morality.

I'm not putting the blame on 10 and 11 year old girls. I mentioned that as an example of how brainwashed they are by a corrupt and bloodthirsty culture.