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Dave S. (http://www.mezzoblue.com/) wrote:
Keith (http://keithdevens.com/) wrote:
I really don't think it's a fake. The wrench thrower guys come back on whatever schedule... I think they come back quickly if Mario is around them, but slowly if he's far away. Though I'd have to play the game to be sure if that's the case, I can guarantee you they didn't take the game sprites and sounds and animate it themselves. You can ask Matt how long it took just to do one still frame from another Mario game (Matt actually did take the sprites and create that himself... he tells me that particular shot doesn't even appear in the game he took it from).
Also, I've linked before to people with super-human game-playing abilities, and that guy's playing is fully within the realm of human possibility
He's had a lot of practice though. You can tell most places where he just knows what's coming up, he knows the schedule of all the bombs and cannons and stuff, etc. Very impressive.
M. Bean wrote:
It's real. I've met people capable of doing things like that. It isn't easy, that's for sure, and you have to devote an inordinate amount of time to perfecting your style, but it's certainly possible.
And regarding the Yaysoft 404 at http://yaysoft.com/404/ --- that's from the most excellent game Mario RPG, and I did snag the sprites and arrange them onto a background tile. No situation like that ever occurs in the game.
Any quibbles you have over the presentation of that run are most likely due to compression artifacts in the video file.
A friend of mine was skeptical, so he kept practicing small portions of it himself, and can replicate it... he just can't get it all to fall into place all at once. The guy who did that is an uber-Mario Master.
Simon Willison (http://simon.incutio.com/) wrote:
I can believe that - after all, it's possible to complete Quake in twelve and a half minutes.
M. Bean wrote:
The QDQ guys are awesome. I'm more impressed at them managing to beat Metroid Prime with 100% in a little over an hour. I spent like 40 on that game.
crawford (http://www.playonwordsmusic.com/) wrote:
suddenly my 17:30 minute contra time (2 player, with the code, of course) seems rather inadequate...
mondotrasho wrote:
What about the warp whistles, though? You can't use two warp whistles to get to world 8 like in the video.
tsen wrote:
Two wrap whistles is totally possible, try it for yourself.
Bri wrote:
this is totally real, check out the video of him beating megaman 2 with one life on his website!
Bri
Keith (http://keithdevens.com/) wrote:
check out the video of him beating megaman 2 with one life on his website
Where?
pat wrote:
pat wrote:
loco wrote:
Its real.You can use the second warp whistle in the warp zone to get to World 8.I thought this was common knowledge.
anj wrote:
omgwtfbbq! talk about aimbot with pro bunny hopping !
twobitmage wrote:
where is that megaman clip?
Thrillhouse wrote:
I'd like to believe he was a god, but he does say on his website he was using an emulator. With the emulator he dropped the speed of the game down to 1/30 and frequently saved before difficult areas. He also apologizes for not mentioning that in the video and for ruining the dream of a purely played game. Still impressive though, I suppose, but he's not The One.
Nick wrote:
The mario video is ace.
I spent my younger years dedicated to this game. Start select was the bomb cheat.
I started off sceptical. The levels in the first world looked speeded up.
But hats off to him on the final world, with the cannons and shit. Although it did look like he got hit by one of the bad guys chucky things on the first level of the last world.
Peace out.
Nick
Nick (http://www.nicksoper.com) wrote:
Yeah,
how could someone put that much effort into "faking" the movie.
if anything speeded up
Nick
G from ughh wrote:
It's fake g. On level 8 he does jumps that can't be done. He does standing jumps onto higher levels and longer ones, yet in the game it is impossible to make those jumps just standing there, you ALWAYS need a running start.
-Gangsta.
Nick (http://www.nicksoper.com) wrote:
I have looked at it again, and I am sure he is using a game genie, as he clearly jumps through objects that would normally kill him.
Also gravity seems to be less, and he manages to keep his "B" or turbo run constantly. Or at least gets it much quicker!
Still impressive to the novice, like me.
Safe guys.
Nick
Cody wrote:
Could someone translate the .wmv file into, say, an mpg or mpeg file so I can see the video without downloading/installing Windows Media Player? If someone could, that would be great. Thanks in advance!
can't open with wmv? use divx wrote:
can't open with wmv? use divx. Get it at www.download.com
fLaPjAk wrote:
All you people who say its a fake, y'all are just hataz
It's a game. A game that is coded. If it is coded, then it is predictable. And if it is predictable, then what you see in that WMV file can happen. It's that simple.
MarkMan (http://www.vgonetwork.com) wrote:
This video is 100% real. Believe me. The video was done by Morimoto a well known gamer in Japan for his dedication to the Mario series and Tekken series, I even have the EMU program that he used to perform the video on and the replay data from which he saved it off of. There's not one amount of code in that program that has been tampered of the original build. This is 100% pure skill and reflex.
I mean come on' look at his other vids. Time Attack RockMan II without getting hit. Ghosts and Goblins without getting hit. Etc. He's a pure skill gamer.
Abaddon Daemone wrote:
Im not sure why there's still an argument over whether or not it's "fake". Like someone said, the guy who did it tells exactly HOW he did it on his website. And I quote: "he does say on his website he was using an emulator. With the emulator he dropped the speed of the game down to 1/30 and frequently saved before difficult areas."
Darth Vader wrote:
Impressive. If only you knew the power of the darkside.
elite67 (http://www.cherryroms.com) wrote:
The SMB3 vid is impression but i have been prcticing myself on my emulator at a slowed rate of speed i can now complete the game in 14 minutes and also record but i will admit that i do quick saves but no game genie codes. I join the videos together using virtual dub so it is seemless i reckon that the original time of 11 minutes is still very very good regardless.
FaqTheHataz wrote:
lol this guy r0x emu or not..
mark wrote:
From what I can understand from the soramimi website:
"I am very sorry to people considered to be a play by people's hand seriously.
Moreover, can the picture which investigated the time attack intently on us be made if it is an emulator?
There was also a wish by wanting to see Mario who moves an ideal."
I think they are trying to say that they used an emulator and programmed an input to see what it would look like if someone could play ideally. I don't think anyone actually played it all the way through.
myles wrote:
MArk that is exactly what i was thinking, it was a coded run through the game rather than a player.
but either way watching that movie i still have to give the guy PROPS for doing it!
drew wrote:
Here's my question regarding the Mario vid--before he starts one of the boards in world 8, he dips into his cache and pulls out a star so he'll be invincible throughout the level. My question is, where's the star come from? It's not in the cache when he's using the warp whistles, and you never see him pick it up from one of the little mushroom huts, so where did he suddenly get this star?
Se wrote:
ever heard of saved states in emulators 
josh wrote:
When you beat the first tank in level 8, you get a star from the last guy you fight, its pretty easy to see in the video...
drew wrote:
Thanks for pointing that out, josh, don't know how I missed it.
elite67 wrote:
I reckon everyone in here could complete mario3 in under 15 minutes using an emulator but you would still need to practice alot!!! The idea of programming a flawless exhibition of mario 3 is a very likely explanation because on sheer style of gameplay (especially on the tank stages, why does the player risk getting hit so much he could just stand at the edge of the scrolling screen to complete the level just as well < smacks of programming!) regardlesss of the time of completion leads me to think that it that it is a computer playing a computer.
Nick wrote:
The most amazing thing in the video is when he crosses the 6 pits and DOESNT GET PULLED IN, which is impossible to my knowledge...its still impressive, and i love watching video game videos, i think my friend summed it up valiantly when he stated "only our generation (we're 18) could appreciate something like this"....amen to that...
Nick
Richard wrote:
I think his name is Morimoto@Yarokinasu
Nez (http://www.mindtooth.com) wrote:
It is possible to get past all the pits in world 8 without being pulled in. You just have to be fast and time the presses right and plow right on through like he did.
24.226.34.107 wrote:
You have to be lucky with the pits, not fast. It doesn't matter how long you stand on them, it pulls you down when you step on it a certain percentage of the time.
The wrench thrower in question is, I think maybe two wrench throwers in the same spot. If you play that level you'll find when you pounce on that thrower, another one pops right up every time. It's in the game. I've always been bothered by it, myself.
james wrote:
wow
Matt wrote:
I was wandering if anyone knows where I can find the guy who beat Super Mario Brothers 3 in one hour and ten minutes, playing every single level in the game with out dying once.
E-mail it to me at WWW.ChevyCoupeMK@AOL.com
Amish wrote:
Warping to world 8 with 2 warp whistles is possible, but you have to warp from world 2 the first time. Using a warp whistle in the "warp" world area only takes you to the next one down, not to world 8.
Tim wrote:
What makes me think this is a person playin and not a computer vs computer situation is when he beats the 3rd regular stage (I believe this is in Level 8). At the end of 1-1 and 1-2, he gets stars, but in 8-1, he get the mushroom. This may seem like a mistake in playing, but he saves time by not having to watch the "Star 5-up" display that would have occurred had he gotten the star. While it may have been an emulation "cheat", I think it was still a person doing this.
Smitty the priate wrote:
Wow, that link to morecooler.com is REALLY fast.
Keith (http://keithdevens.com/) wrote:
Fixed 
MSTie wrote:
So what is the link for morimoto's webpage?
Lee wrote:
Hi. I'm a german mario gamer, I have a problem with understanding the "Mario Brothers.avi - file." U can c mario jumping in the air (at the tubes). I tested this 20 minutes but it functioned only twice. What's the trick? How to jump at the air? Must I press several buttons the same time? - which? Or what is the correct time to jump up? Does the guy only have a bugged version? Plz help anybody 
(Didn't know where to write this question)
Greg wrote:
you guys are all wrong listen to me.
The guy did it at 1/30 the speed. DO YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS? Do you know how easy it is to do anything at 1/30 the speed? It is almost like you can see the future. He could see where to land before it happened. So it was a PERSON playing, but since it was slowed down, it was almost AS IF it was a COMPUTER playing a COMPUTER. When I read that I lost all respect for the video. It is NOT impressive. It was played at 1/30 the speed. It would be rediculouly easy, but may require some practice.
He simply compiled a movie of the IDEAL mario player landing in all the RIGHT places at the RIGHT times by seeing the future (slow motion)
you people are ridiculous
Darthmalt wrote:
watch the timer throught the game in some levels it's faster than in others
Keith (http://keithdevens.com/) wrote:
Darthmalt, you must not have actually played SMB3 much. The timers are faster in some levels than others.
Lee wrote:
It's not much easier to beat it in a 1/30 speed. U can't really balance where to land, how long to press the jump-button. And if I see all the other walkthrough movies of mario, zelda, megaman ..., I can see, that the freaks are better than I'd ever imagined. Why should this be different? Perhaps it's only another freak. I tested the bugs, they all exist and are possible in normal speed - but hard to learn, sure. Where has the creator said, that he faked? If he had done, you wouldn't see him playing in this realistic way, his moves would seem to be unnatural, but they don't! There are no signs for any doubt. In mine opinion.
Lee wrote:
Oh sorry, now I recognize. U meant the SMB3-movie. But my answers are still the same.
sonar wrote:
my theory: Fake for sure. Scripted in an emulator, not very hard to do, althought time consuming work. I've played MM2, SMB1, 3 for 11-12 years, some of the things he does isn't simply possible.
The japanese version of the games are faster than european and american versions, therefor you can complete the games faster (You can easy sea this on the tanks-scrolling in SMB3 or heard on the music in MM2). Also the Bubbleman-warp-through wall cheat isn't possible in the european version of the game.
pandera (http://www.fuk.co.uk) wrote:
"What makes me think this is a person playin and not a computer vs computer situation is when he beats the 3rd regular stage (I believe this is in Level 8). At the end of 1-1 and 1-2, he gets stars, but in 8-1, he get the mushroom."
he did it because if he had gotten the 3rd star, it would have chewed up another 20 seconds or so.
and the guy/girl who said he pulled out a STAR from his cache without ever getting one, that is wrong. on the first tank he faces, he was rewarded a star for beating the boomerang man at the end of the level.
Flash wrote:
Anyone who believes this is genuine is an idiot. Why didn't this guy do this on a regular Nintendo? The skeptics can be finally be proved right once and for all when this fellow films himself failing to repeat his dubious achievement with an actual Nintendo and controller in hand.
George Schlossnagle wrote:
Proved fake from the horses mouth: http://www.sohh.com/forums/showthread.php?t=410941
Bill Lumburgh wrote:
I think that if he played it at 1/30 of the speed (I couldn't find any of the links provided to verify), than he has no real skill, just lots of time to waste and little life to live.
Stephen wrote:
This is real, ive come to realize there are incredible players for many of the popular games. Why is this any more un believable than "the rabbit run" for quake1, or some of the incredible deathmatch ive seen in quake and half-life? its not, its just the leet of the leet in this world.
Some Guy wrote:
All right, reiterating what has been said above, the PLAYER who went through the game was in fact playing at 1/30 the speed on an emulator. So, in some ways it is genuine, and in some it is not. Everything that he does IS possible (at least in the version I've played), and much easier to pull off when your reaction time is, effectively, 30 times as great as your normal reaction time. So... I guess it's not as impressive that way, but it's still entertaining to watch.
Richard wrote:
the video is only as amazing and fun to watch as you let it be. if you first thought "wow this guy is so amazingly good" (as i did) then thats just what he ment you to think and believe. if you thought right away that is was fake well then the whole point was missed by you. i still think that this is a real video. does it really matter if its fake or not? its a great demo of skill and persistance. lets think about this for a sec now..
would you spend 2 years of your life playing a game, frame by frame, saving constantly, recording yourself play a game at 1/30th the speed? that alone has to show determination at him wanting to show the idel mario 3 run. i know i could'nt do that even if i did have the time on my hands. i doubt any normal gamer would. only a hardcore fan would want to do that. as neither of the 2 sites on the end of the video work for me, and since no one here is able to show a link to his site proving that those "quotes" are true, i believe that this is a real video. those who want to believe with me are more than welcome. anyone else can be skeptical and wary of it as much as you like, its just a shame you cant see why he did this.
scott wrote:
that movie is all real, he is just so good.
elite67 wrote:
itsafakeboys!!!!!!
batkinso wrote:
i want to believe...
annonymus wrote:
its fake... he does something in bowser's castle at 10:20 that doesn't exist. i spent 5 hours playing every level in the game and got to that point hoping i could skip it by walking through a wall next a secret box, low and behold, i couldn't! sorry guys ...
Yohomes wrote:
Its a fake anyone who belives it is dumb and deserves to be shot thinking someone would do this no one is that stupid
Chris (http://MIDIBOY87@nyc.rr.com) wrote:
does anyone know how I can play around with the music of SMB3 for the Gameboy Advance SP? for instance, to change the instruments and stuff? if anyone has info,please email me..thanks
Chris
65.122.85.22 wrote:
it is not fake anyone who thinks this is fake is stupid and deserves to get shot, yes i said it WHAT!
65.122.85.22 wrote:
how do u watch the movie E-mail me at Aaronman152@hotmail.com
Jeremy wrote:
Hate to burst your bubble guys, but the video is in fact fake. If you don't believe me, keep a close eye on the timer as you watch the video. It does some really strange things every now and then (it's most obvious in the final mini-castle level).
I was stunned the first time I watched it, but then someone pointed that one out to me. It was made with emulator tricks.
Some of the stunts were real, though, but the thing as a whole is indeed as phony as Britney Spears' boobs.
Peace out
~J~
Tim Simms wrote:
Well everyone rest assured that it was indeed a human who made the video, regardless of the player/game validity.
Indeed, it is a sight to see for anyone Generation X, anyone Mario-minded, and anyone who appreciates a good viewing.
I think it is real anyways 
null.unit (http://www.augustussweetheart.com) wrote:
there are many different variables in a project like this, which render the arguement of fake vs. genuine useless. for those under the notion that certain things done were quite impossible, remember that he is playing the japanese version of the game, on an emulator. most of you have probably never played the japanese version, so you should download the rom before you try and get smart.
here's the bottom line:
-it is not played all at the same time
-it is not played on an NES.
-even if it was done on a console system, it would have been the famicom, which is quite effing different than the NES, coding wise.
-a person is playing the game, and very well.
-it is not a fake
-it is not your friend next door sitting down and clearing the game in 11 minutes.
this is not about fake or real.
visit the guy's website; after deciphering the translated broken "engrish" it'll be obvious that this is just for fun. some people work on cars for fun, some people play guitar. this guy pieced together an awesome little video of how every one of us wish we could play one of the best games ever made.
elite67 wrote:
this argument is so pathetic it looks cool its fake so what!!!!!!!!!! all them people who think tis real need to get real man Cool!! yeah buddyboy
Jenn wrote:
hey i was wondering... is it possible to get straight to level 8 with two whistles without having beaten level 1 first??? i thought you could only warp to levels 2,3,4 with the first whistle then 5,6,7 with the seconds whistle..... anyone know???
mariogamer wrote:
It certainly is possible. Maybe you should go back to playing duck hunt, because every mario gamer knew that it was possible.
Jenn wrote:
just a question, don't have to be a jerk or elitest about it.
X2D (http://www.infowire.org) wrote:
you linking to our forum thread over at http://www.infowire.org generated a lot of hits, I appreciate it Keith
Ricky wrote:
If it is not recorded all at one time which it is not. If it can not be done on a normal nintendo by him which it is not, then it is simply not that impressive. It is time consuming, that does not make him a master of the game, maybe a master of tricks.
stupid people wrote:
are all of you stupid? why are you still arguing about this? what stupid jackass posts: its a fake! or its real! why dont you numbnuts take the time to read whats above and youll see the whole story. Its played at a lower speed by someone who has a lot of determination and time. Whether or not its cool is up to the viewer. Its a FAKE if you think fake means that he didnt play it all at once perfectly. Of course if you think that your a moron because i doubt thats possible. In anycase READ BEFORE YOU POST YOU STUPID STUPID PEOPLE!
not an important person wrote:
i dont really care what all you haters have to say about it I think its hella cool to watch and to know about
not an important person wrote:
by the way my friend told me about some kinda super mario brothers 1 video that some guy beat it in 3 minutes i dont know but maybe one of you guys do is it true or is he just messin with my head and if you do know about it can you post where to find it at thanx in advance
just a question wrote:
Is there someone who beat all the levels without losing a life in around an hour or something?
ABS wrote:
I think this is great! It's fun to watch and learn from. Some of the tricks are possible and helpful, though hard to repeat. From what I can grast of the creator's japanese site, he did fabricate this from an emulator, but that doesn't matter. Just think of it as the perfectly played game. Remember, some secret passages are only in the Japanese/European versions (You can find info about this online), same with the whistles. This is for the enjoyment of the viewers. Please stop flaming this poor gamer, he was only trying to make something fun to look at. He spent a lot of time creating this piece and shouldn't be harassed. That's all.
151.198.204.4 wrote:
There were two obscene comments left here which I've deleted.
I wanted to leave this trace of them because I think it's funny that they both came from "unioncatholic.org".
Keith
cake-bottom wrote:
Watch the video. Look people, who cares if it is real or fake. It's cool to watch, and it doesn't matter if it was done at 1/30 normal speed. The video merely shows Mario 3 beaten in 11 minutes normal time. Quit analyzing and take it for what it is: a killer, fun to watch video.
216.28.111.131 wrote:
thats f'in sweet
life wrote:
hey im james! im gonna be like everyone else and waist my time arguing about something that isnt important because i have issues where everyone has to believe ME.
everyone on this post thinks theyre right so stop worrying what other people think. arguing is pointless and im sorry you power trip over telling someone theyre wrong. especialy over video games.
Josh wrote:
I'm surprised that its taken people so long to figure this out. After I beat the game the regular way when it came out, i decided to screw around and lo and behold, I figured out how to get to level 8 in under 2 minutes. This does not take away from the fact that it is still one of the best games ever.
Doc wrote:
pretty F*in cool, i merely watched it to find out where to go on the mini castle in world 8...now i feel like an idiot...(go to the left not to ze right)..... anyway still a sweet movie regardless of the third eye(future sight) tech its fun ta watch, leave it at that
Michel (http://www.michel.vu) wrote:
Tortue géniale !
Frank wrote:
Guys Guys guys guys!
Come on Guys! can't you just realize that it's just for fun like it was mentionned. And, not to disprove what i've read before I wrote this, here is a list of thing that a human player can do wheter or not if it's on emulator or console
Fact #1: Warping from world one to world 8 IS possible and is the only thing that happend when I used the whistles. It happens when I was 12, it happen when I was 16 , and still happend today, when I'll be turning 26 in a few weeks, no matter what freaking version , NES, SNES ( in all-stars) or GBA.
Fact #2 the game was played on an emulator at 1/30 the normal speed... huh sorry actually , the way an emulator does it is that it actually compress the data sent through the screen to LOOK like it's played slowly. Computers (and therefore emus) would be very much more complex and heat protected to the bone if it had to really slow up the speed of a program. computers are set to run at a single and only speed... keep that in mind
and here's fact number 3. Our Human player left a clue that lets un know he is actually playing and not leaving a computer get the job... The 99 lives! why would a program would take some extra time to accumulate up to 99 lives in three levels knowing he is not going to waste a single one of them....
that would be time consuming first of all he could save a lot of time just plowing through every enemy.
There is also actually one thing I haven't been sure of ... how the hell could he beat bowser with fireballs... I know if the timing is right we would be able to kill the koops kids with fireballs ( though it would not give us points) and I recall playing the game once on my 8-bit NES with a game genie that allowed me to stay in Hammer Bro form . when I reached bowser I did try to slam him with hammers... no effect... thus fireballs would not also be effective against bowser. The one an only way to kill him his to actually let him fall to his doom by letting him dig his own grave. (i do not recall if when bowser falls off the screen when beaten by a fireball in the vid to see the ground shake like he normally does, this needs to be re-verified!)
anyhow, it's fun to see, even if it's impossible or not
joesaid wrote:
Well lucky for us at least Mario is real.
cake-bottom wrote:
i heard people say the glitch where he goes through the wall in bowser's castle isn't there. two weeks ago, I finally got my hands on an snes with mario all-stars, and I found that you can go thru the wall after getting the 1-up. whatever else may be said, that was real.
The PhyloGenesis wrote:
My brother and I were surprised when he defeated Bowser with fireballs too. I have landed on his head before and I assure you that I did not bounce off unscathed as he did, but I got hit. It is very possible that I just did not do it perfectly though.
The G
martin wrote:
i have read the comments - all of them - yes it was a great game, yes it's terrific that someone has the capacity to sit down and programme the perfect game of Mario3, but really - don't you have something better to argue about? the tamil tigers in sri lanka, or mugabe in zimbabwe for example? there is a life outside mario. honest.
The PhyloGenesis wrote:
On the contrary to a post a bit above, Bowser CAN be defeated with Hammers. I, for my first time ever, got to Bowser with a Hammer Bros. suit, and almost thought it was not working because the noise it makes sounds as if you are hitting a wall with a fireball, but after about 10 hits, he suddenly died, the exact same way as in the vid.
The Phylo
emufreek wrote:
The asshole who claimed to beat mario 3 in eleven minutes is a fukin liar!! He used many hacks and emulators and it took him over THREE YEARS to complete his fraud video!!! If anyone ever tells you that its legit, tell them to shove it up their ass!!
imre noémi wrote:
Hello!!!
I from hungary.
Please help !!!
I like super mario.And search a super mario!!!
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THX.
I dont speak english!!!
reedli wrote:
QUOTE: "Here's my question regarding the Mario vid--before he starts one of the boards in world 8, he dips into his cache and pulls out a star so he'll be invincible throughout the level. My question is, where's the star come from? It's not in the cache when he's using the warp whistles, and you never see him pick it up from one of the little mushroom huts, so where did he suddenly get this star?"
Um in the first stage of world 8 he gets a star at the end of the level man. Watch it again.
justin wrote:
star was from when he beat the boss
Rdawg4life wrote:
ok , all you freakin people are makin me angry , instead of trying to tell us what happened,( which by the way i could care less if its a real or a fake, its still incredibly righteous), why dont you just put the site link where he supposedly said he played at 1/30 the speed and let us figure it out for our freakin selves. put the link up , and let us decide, not hard. so many posts , so little links. someone do it.
Rdawg
Keith (http://keithdevens.com/) wrote:
The links were already given up above.
Ominousmuffin wrote:
First of all, I have to say that "real" or not, the video fsking kills! I need to start playing the old-style platform games again. Low-fi as they are, their superior gameplay well makes up for the eye-candy of their descendants. Btw, despite the fact that this was done on an emulator over a span of a couple years, it would probably take a similar amount of time to master the game in a more straightforeward way. I think it's a legitimate success. Also, a new completion record for Mario 1 came out recently (5mins, 17scnds) which proves, to me anyway, that if you know the right tricks, something like this IS possible. Even I, who can never stick to something long enough to get more than passably good at it, can play a 60 second game of computer solitaire. Try it some time. 
TheArchitect wrote:
Bottom line is this was an arguement on whether this video was real or not. The game is real, but the actual gameplay was the product of much devotion, time and an emulator. While in that sense it is a fake, it is also real in that the person who made is loved the game enough to do this and actually played it even if it was in 1/30. This is what you get when you have technology on your side, and literally billions of gullible internet readers/watchers. REAL game, FAKE gameplay. I'll say it again...REAL GAME, FAKE GAMEPLAY.
FfCoN wrote:
I can't believe there are people out there who think it is fake.
He did this in front of an audience! Nintendo comfermed this game also, so don't tell me its fake.
And some of you also said that he has in-human reflexes, but that's not the case, mario doesn't have AI, every game is EXACTLY the same, so i essence, u can time u'r moves and play blindfolded, and still win, its all timing, no reflexes.
-TCO-Truth wrote:
some of this is bull. There is only one way to get to the the eighth warp using 2 whistles, and one of them is not the way he did it.
sure, he went to 2-3-4, but then he should have gone to 5-6-7 on the second flute, not 8. I went and tried what he did, and it didn't work. You cannot get to world 8 with 2 flutes from world one.
there are 3 warp whistles in the game however.
and the little trick about jumping from bomb to bomb and whatnot, ive done it myself, and it is completely possible.
and if you watch him, he does a double flip, jumping on them then hitting them with his tail, or fireball. that is how he accumulates so many lives.
the little wrench dudes do respawn at different rates.
and about the double fireball that he shoots at the dudes in world 8, i think he may have a turbo button. not sure yet, but if not, then he has the maddest trigger finger that i have ever seen. Even i cant do that, and im freakin fast. like close to 300 presses in a minute. although my tendonitis really burns after im done. if youve ever played Legend of Dragoon, and used one of those items that you have to press x repeatedly, ive gotten damage up to 380% before the time runs out.
bennyf118 wrote:
A fake. The player admits it. But damn fun to watch, and very cool.
62.252.128.7 wrote:
Watched the video. It's real. All the tits out there saying it's a fake are just sour and jealous - cos they never managed it playing like a paraplegic.
Don't be jealous. Just practice. FfCoN is right - the most recent Mario record was just over 5 mins and was authenticated by reps from Nintendo and Guiness.
Emufreek?
freek by name .....
English wrote:
Please give us some support (in the form of links?) that support what you say. Where does it say that Nintendo and Guiness confirmed this record? They said nothing about an emulator? Even if the author admitted it himself?
FrosT wrote:
i think it is very possible and just requires some memorization, haha but it pwns......i still wanna see the megaman clip, i searched for it....nothin really.
Captainkillbot wrote:
The video is impressive but after hearing that it was done on an emulator it lost its appeal. Because anyone with an emulator and a couple of weeks could do it. But if it was done on an actual console that would be a great accomplishment. I'm not saying its not impressive i'm just saying if it was on a console it would be twenty times more impressive.
nate wrote:
look you guys...i really doubt he made it so people would kill themselves figuring out if its fake or not...its just a kewl video...im sure thats why he made it...you have to admit its really entertaining...i know he played at 1/30th the speed...it doesnt matter...hes still uber tho
Brendan shutting up Mark wrote:
yeah thats whats up Mark i got more people saying it is true so yeah thats whats up!!!!!!!
Brendan wrote:
yeah Mark thats whats up!
Brendan wrote:
yeah thats whats up Mark
l;aksfjsaldjfk wrote:
it is real all you people are just hataz the game came out like 20 years ago cause the guy is from Japan and they get everything earlier then us Americans so if the guy has been playing it for more than 20 years than it is DEFFINATELY possibly none of this stupid emulator stuff
l;aksfjsaldjfk wrote:
and another thing i saw a website where he proved everybody that he did it, i dont remember the website but i wish i did he just wanted to prove to his friends that the game is predictable
RO wrote:
You did a really good job of puttin this site together. Good job.
RO wrote:
You did a really good job of puttin this site together. Good job.
dfwdfwefwe (http://ewfwf) wrote:
i wish this was real man it would be awesome..... but it is not so this china man is faking it. he is using an emulator which is pretty hard to hack.. notw
The Zombie wrote:
You can do what he did in the castle with the mushroom block -- he was ducking and then stood. The coding forced him through solid blocks. It's the same phenomenon that gets you to world -1 in SMB1.
It would be easier to get to intimately know all the levels and play them out than to fake it. Some people are that good. Watch the way he flies as a raccoon on the first tank level ... the timing of how he turns back and forth to control his angle of descent ... it was done by a person in real time. It's not that big a deal if he made a hobby out of it for a few days
Shadowlord wrote:
The movie is a fake. Know why? Check out the place where he is in the first tank on World 8. On the Media Player at 2:43, he gets hit by a wrench but DOESN'T HIT HIM!!!!! Since he had this happen, and not only did he use an emulator to hack the game, slow the game's pace to 1/30 of its original speed, and save before difficult spots, this movie is a total, 100% fraud!
On the other hand, it is pretty cool seeing this Japanese guy rack up over 100 1-ups, kill bowser in a matter of seconds, and blazing the levels at light speed.
But above all, I still think the movie is a fake.
68.200.26.216 wrote:
Pfft... I suppose nobody saw little mario FLYING :15 seconds into the clip?
an "always fly" hack is being used, as is invincibility - there's one time he runs into a plant, one time he hits a boucing koopa on the lower half, and when fighting the mini-bowsers, notice that mario TOUCHING them kills them, not the fireballs.
Totally rigged. Still cool to watch though.
Shadowlord wrote:
I don't think he was flying on the first level 15 secs on the movie... he most likely used the paratroopa to get a boost into the clouds. But one thing's for sure... you can't charge up your turbo meter that quickly.
As for the jumping over the plant in the beginning of the first level, you CAN jump over it without getting hit and using cheats. I've done it before. You just need a good running start at the beginning.
I, on the other hand, think you are right about the boss fights on the battleships and the mini-airships. He probably just attacked it with fireballs to deceive the viewer (because you CAN kill the boss with fireballs) and killed it on contact (you CAN'T do that!
This is what I think and it's okay if we get into a discussion about the physical improbabilities of the movie... because that's what this forum is for. 
--Shadowlord
Crim wrote:
In an earlier comment, it is said that the player used up time by getting 1Ups in the tank/ship areas. The area moves on it own in its own pace. He didn't waste time by doing it.
The only thing wrong I saw within the video was in the last tank/ship area. A cannon ball flew up past the screen's view, The player jumped off a lower cannon ball and some how hit the one that had just left view. The height was too far for the player to actually reach the cannon ball without getting it in the head.
SuperLocke wrote:
He posted on his site that it was fake, the observations you guys made were pretty in-depth... but the simplest to prove it was that you cant jump on Bowser's head like that... >_>
Phil wrote:
I'm with the majority of you, the video is awesome !
It's just too bad you can't replicate what he does from the start. I've tried a hundred times jumping over that first flower in 1-1 and get my speed like he does, its impossible. Same thing in 1-2, he catches is speed in a up hill terrain. Like someone said before the Japan cartridge must be easier to get your speed and to keep it (in the castle of world 1 he keeps is speed while hammering the block and jump to catch the leaf and fly to the flute...I've tried that too a hundred times and i loose my speed when I hit the block)
I can do it in 19 minutes, although i'm not counting if i die.
He clearly passes through things withouth dying which i can't do either. He throws fireballs (2 at a time)...can't do that. When he gets is one up and passes through the wall kick's ass...it must be possible although it's hard as hell to jump crouch and get on the right part of the block before getting the one-up. You definetely can use the 2 whistles to get to World 8. You can jump on Koopa the way he does. And he's just crazy jumping on these cannon balls making some one-ups.
Everything rocks, I just wish I could get my speed as quick as he does...
For the 1 hour 10 min doing all the levels...I'm definitely working on that.
Mario 3 kick's ass !!!
Phil
Phild44@hotmail.com
Phil wrote:
I take back one thing he can clear the first flower...done it myself...i made the 1-1 level in 7 sec, one short of his time. Can't yet catch my speed in the 1-2, you've got to be precise of when and how you jump in the starting hill.
mo wrote:
anybody know of a super mario 1 video similar to super mario 3 i have heard there is one similar.. i would like to know where if you could post it on here please! thanks
patrick wrote:
i can not beat super mario 3 its hard i lose on the 1st world i got to the 2nd world but had like no money
Gary wrote:
This is done by a guy in America named Josh. He is on an emulator doing it in slo-mo so he can see whats coming and then the records the replay in fast-mo so it seems that he is doing it faster. Its actually impossible to be able to memorize every enemy at the exact second. Its so fake. Yall should use common sence. Just think about it for a minute. You'll eventually realize its fake.
Gary wrote:
also, emulators come with free game jeanies, game sharks, etc.
Roliath wrote:
Where could I get the other videos of him beating the other games
Rockman ghouls and goblins...I went to speedruns.org. but those links are all dead...and there only torrents..i'm looking for some direct downloads, of them...thanks.
a non o mos wrote:
Well It could be Fake, because i noticed some strange things..
for instance there was a point in the game where he had used a star and but he was only fliping for a short time then it was just plain mario jumping...(WIERD) that would proboly be where he switched to his game genie... and he did get hit by a wrench once but lived... he could have just put in the codes right at that point in time, this is pulled off easily because on an emulator when u open the cheat menu the game automaticly pauses.
AND... while he does that he pauses the recording and then plays it right after he puts in the code.. it is highly possible since it was played on an emulator... and it is also possible that he could program some artificial intelligence in the mario character....i say this because the mario character did some funny cycle repeting things like on one of the ships he always throws a fireball in the water for some stupid reason which could prove that it was artificial intelligence because like most artifical intelligence the cpu char has some faulty glitches like doing things for no reason at all. AGAIN I DONT KNOW IF IT IS FAKE OR NOT BUT IS POSSIBLE THERE ARE MANY WIERD THINGS IN THE RECORDING.
24.43.149.77 wrote:
big scam used an invinciblity cheat but stil very good talent and he got hit by bommerang so many times
dad00d wrote:
you peple tihnk too much
valhala wrote:
GUYS THIS IS REAL IT LOOKS IMPOSSIBLE BUT REAL THE GUY COMPLETED MEGAMAN 2 WITHOUT BEING HIT! AND HE DISCOVERED THE 100% DAMAGE COMBO OF KING IN TEKKEN 3 AND ANYONE OF US CAN DO THE FLUTE THING AND ALL THE STUFF BUT NO WITH THE PERFECTION AND PRECISION THE HE HAS THE GUY IS A FUCKING PRO VIDEO GAME PLAYER . NINTENDO AND MIYAMOTO SAYS THE HE DID IT HE DID IT
BTW
OTHER VIDEO GAME FREAKS COMPLETED MARIO 1 IN 5 MIN AND CONTRA IN 12
JJ wrote:
Look.. ive tried some of the things this gy does in the earlier levels and it is possible. It takes super hard timing but it CAN be done.
Bh wrote:
I advise you to find a live demonstration of this game being beat in record time, I have had that honour, it was indeed live, on a regular nintendo. Great to see
Bh wrote:
as for the double fireballs, I remember when I had regular nintendo and played this game alot, I had a controller that had the turbo button, which allowed me to shoot 2 at a time, even 3.
Someone commented on a random bullet being fired by him on several
occasions.. when you save/load the shoot button is also the run button, and when you re enter or load the game, you have to press the shoot button to run, so at those points that is whats happening. You can also notice this when he has the cape, there is
the little 'twist'
Enigma wrote:
Okay, I'm going to clear ALL of this up right now because it seems that a very large majority of you simply don't get the concept.
There is NO game genie
There are NO "tricks"
It IS fake in the fact that a person didn't play it LIVE
It ISN'T fake in the sense that everything he did is possible.
The way it was done:
Famicom emulator. It has the ability to record controller inputs and when you save and then load, it re-writes the old controller input up to that save spot and then starts again from where they left off meaning if you were recording a section and made a mistake, it will start recording from the last place you saved it. when you do this 30,000 times, and have it fluid it looks like a complete game
To address the issues about the warp whistles:
Warp whistles: There are 3 in the game. If you use them while IN the world, then they will take you to the next "warp world" so if you're in world 6, and you use a whistle, it could take you to the 5-6-7 area or the 8 area.
HOWEVER in the game programming, if you use a warp whistle WHILE IN THE WARP AREA then it will automatically take you to world 8. It works every single time and the people that say it doesn't are either Lying, Don't know, haven't tried or are trying to cause problems here.
The Game was Sequenced. It's a very common thing that happens in music too, when you have a MIDI file. The Midi is the data that is used to make something play back. Well, in this case, he didn't play the game live, he simply recorded the controller data frame by frame to control mario through the game.
I also have the controller data used as well. I can promise that there's no tricks happening.
The thing with the level 1-2 and the hills: The game has basic inertia where you gain more speed by "bouncing" off the top lip of the hill then by just running - it is possible, I've done it while playing it live however only twice. It takes IMMENSE precision.
World 8 seems to have the most controversy however as there is a lot of things happening:
Let me teach you a few tricks about Mario 3:
1; If you are big mario and you are hiding under a block and you stand up, the programming pushes you to the right. very basic concept, it's true to the programming
2; The "speed jump" is possible to maintain while hitting blocks, landing and moving: When you land on something most people hold the oppsite direction to make sure they don't fall off or land where they mean to. However it is possible to do an "energy misdirect" when you land by holding the direction you were going when you land and when you physically jump, THEN you change directions. It maintains your P-meter so you don't loose your speed.
3; The fireballs: When you slow the speed down to 1/30'th of a second, if you press the button twice fast, it's going to be literally 30 times faster when you put it up to normal speed. He didn't use a turbo button because he didn't play it at normal speed. It was in SLOW MOTION.
4; The timer - the video itself is simply a recording of the emulator. Japanese or American, the ROM information doesn't matter: The timer slows down when you run then when you're not moving as fast, and here's why.
The NES used a slow processor fast for it's time but the problem was that when you get either A: More then 8 characters on the screen. Or B: Too much pre-draw information being loaded into the main processor, the internal clock slows down.
When I say internal clock, I don't mean the SMB3 clock, I mean the physical processor of the NES
Have you ever seen on any other games when there is a whole bunch of people on the screen that everythings slows down? That's why.
Back to the original idea:
When you're running at full speed, the nintendo has to load and draw all the upcoming information faster then it usually does because you're forcing the scrolling TOO FAST for it to keep up with. So the system has to take information priority away from the main processor so things like the timer don't get as much importance as the drawing and level loading does.
Try it yourself. Try walking and see the tempo of the timer.
Now try running at full speed for any length of time and see how it slows down?
Sorry folks, no Game Genie here.
5; Clipping: Clipping is the programmers way of saying "character boundries" meaning if something touches something else, it has an adverse affect on the sprite in question. Taking all clipping off means you can run through walls, objects, enemies, etc.. It ALSO means that a character has to have a clipping boundry.
With mario, the graphical representation of little mario is 4 blocks, large mario is 8. However, the clipping information associated with him is only 6. this means that things that are very small, like wrentches which take up only 1 can seemingly pass through things like... lets say Mario's head.
xx
xx <-- little mario
xx
xx
xx <--- Big mario
Remember that the picture you see on the TV screen isn't exactly what the computer NES sees.
You ever think you got hit by something and didn't die? Well, that's another reason why. It's more apparent with large mario because there are 2 blocks that are graphics only, that won't be affected by other things... but little mario is more likely to die because his graphic image as well as his clipping information are both 4 cubic units.
6; The bomb issue: Yes, you CAN swing your tail and jump on it and it will count as 2 hits instead of one. When you swing your tail it stops the bomb from moving, however when they're not moving you can still bounce off of them right?
Well the OTHER thing is that when you hit them with your tail, it bounces it UP. If you're on top of it, then it bounces it up into your feet, which bounces YOU up. Completely possible.
7; stationary jumps: On the speedship in world 8, Yes I agree that there are jumps in there that seems impossible otherwise.
Did you ever think to check his P meter when he's making the jumps?
Your P-meter will also contribute to how far you can physically jump because if it's partially "charged" that means that you still have some inertia available to work towards whatever you're doing. This causes a problem for some gamers because they undercompensate while forgetting about this and walk right over the edge unintentionally. Don't tell me you've never done it because I promise you have. 
ANYWAY, the whole point of this is to clear a few things up. Some of you obiously "get it" and some of you clearly don't. Some of you don't seem to know what fake and real is, or your views of what they are aren't the same.
Yes, a person played this game, but not LIVE. He recorded it in small steps, correcting when he died, doing the harder parts in slow motion. The whole game the whole 11 minutes of it took like 2 years. Impressive the persistance he had.
No it's not likely that a person could do this live, however the possiblity DOES EXIST.
No the video hasn't been edited. The framerate of the video is faster then the framerate that it was recorded at making the game seem as though it was sped up.
This may contribute to the fact that American TV's are 60 hz, while european/eastern countries are only 50 hz, PAL/NTSC so there could be something to do with it there too.
If you are all STILL that obsessed with it and don't believe me, then YOU download the movie data. You download the emulator and YOU look at the file information. When it says "33561 save states used" you'll understand that it's impossible that it was played all in one sitting.
I hope this clears a few things up because although some people still just don't get it, I hope this will correct some of people into understanding the way it was intended.
It was created with the intent that this video would show what it would look like if the game were played PERFECTLY.
I also have a video of Super Mario World being beaten in 10:47 - One of the ghost houses, I went RIGHT THROUGH a ghost but because of how it was approched, it didn't count as a hit.
It's called Manipulating errors in game programming.
Oh yeah, one more thing:
In bowser's castle in SMB3- The free man that's in the upper right hand corner does exist, and you can jump while ducking to have the clipping push you through the wall. I've done it many times and it's great for saving about 3 seconds.
Anyway, for people who don't believe it's real - that's fine. Techincally it's not "Live" but someone did play it. They just took 2 years to do it.
For people who thing it IS real and someone did play it: Yes they did play it. They didn't do it in one sitting, or even two or 3. They needed over 33 THOUSAND save spots to get every move right.
If you think that someone just sat down and played it like this, then I honestly pity you. You have much harder times ahead of you if that's the case.
Percival wrote:
/\ Agreed. What he said.
I have done save states + slowdown emulator many times. At the same time, i done just about everything that that guy did that doesn't look right. I did have the bullet go through the cap of a large mario, and i have done that push thing.
Everything is "true", but the guy cheated when doing it.
Enigma wrote:
I have a site I think you need to see:
http://bisqwit.iki.fi/jutut/nesvideos/WhyAndHow.html
It's a cool site, dedicated to exactly what I just mentioned. It's not about cheating - if you consider that cheating it's more about entertainment. It's about being entertained by something that the average and most professional gamers couldn't do.
Read up real quick, and have a good time because there are TONNES of games there that are done JUST like the mario 3 game and they're quite impressive in any case.
Just thought I'd share.
Bachalon wrote:
I'm having problems with the downloads of the Metroid Prime speed video. For some reason, they freeze up after about 2-3 seconds of play. No matter what video playback or version I use, this problem persists. Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks.
GMan wrote:
Holy shit people. Thank you Percival! <--Listen to him!
Silverhaze (http://None yet) wrote:
ok , you all say its sooo fake, think for a second.. he is using an emulator.. which helps a shit load... #2 only english players are complaing about glitches... dont you think when they comipled it is diferent then the japenese one? same for the emulator.. i know glitches in consoles that work but not in the emulator version ! the bug can be somewhere else! i think this guy is a genius well just good any ways , has alot of time , and i love to watch the video cause i love that game ! one of my favorite of all time! well it is my favorite :> !! Mario Ownzorz!
u guys suck , and cant take the fact morimoto can open up a 1 trillion to 1 can of wooop as over yall!
Mike wrote:
Where do you get a super mario 3 rom? I want to play it on my emulator and see if you can do that!
WoNHommer wrote:
It's amazing!
I don't think it is fake, and I'm sure that is real!
Just TOO MUCH pratice! LoL much and much more
I can't do it bcuz I'm noob in all the games ^^
Mike: Yesyou can do just search in google.com and you can find
_______
WoNHommer, Bye
Nick P wrote:
You can get a Super Mario Bros. 3 rom at www.coolroms.com
4.131.150.215 wrote:
It is real, he uses an emulator on super slow mode with auto-save automatically saving every tenth of a second. So when he fucks up he just restores state. It's not hard, i did it just as fast as he did.
4.131.150.215 wrote:
And Enigma you need a fucking life. R O F L
Bisqwit (http://bisqwit.iki.fi/nesvideos/) wrote:
I'm surprised to find this discussion is still active here.
Yes, Enigma said it all just as it is.
SMB3fan wrote:
Everyone's made very good points.
The facts:
played on an emulator
speed set at 1 frame a second NTSC or 1/30
pieced together over a coarse of 2 years
impressive vid
The video is a fake in some sences when you think that it wasn't played as anyone would normally. But, none of that matters. The vid was just for pure entertainment. That's all....
As for the glitches and other questions.....
two wistles will get you to level 8 depending on how you use them. If you use one on level one and then without moving from the spot it takes you.......then use another immediately.......you will go to level eight. If you move to world 2,3 or 4 even without entering the world, you will only go to level 5,6 or 7.
Now, for the question about moving through the brick wall. It's very possible!! It was a glitch in the game and if you do it right, you go right through the wall. Castle level 8 at a question box at the top.
Anyway, if you look past the part of this not being an incredible feat, I'm sure we can all agree that the vid was amazing to watch.
GOONY wrote:
concerning warp whistles, it IS possible to get to world 8 from world 1 if you use the second whistle while your still in the warp zone.
GOONY wrote:
it may just be me but it seems that in my mario version (for GB advance) the cannons don't shoot the balls as fast as it did in the movie.
IS IT JUST ME?
also i can complete the first two levels EXACTLY how the dude did in the video, but my time is always 12 or 14 seconds when his is 6 or 8.
finally, it seems to me that his p-power charges up way faster than it ever does for me.
oh and not to babble on butthe way he bounces off the cannon balls and how slow he can make himself glide is way out there.
LAST ONE I SWEAR: its not possible to shoot fireballs that fast!
Word. wrote:
Look, bitches, if I can beat a lvl in 15 seconds, which I can, since I know where all the goombas are and shit, then he can easily beat it in 11. There is no questioning it at all. Its simple. I can fly through levels thta I know that fast too, its not amazing, he just plays too much mario.
Hank wrote:
Amanda wrote:
Can someone tell me where the flutes are again. It's been a while since I've played the game and have forgotten. Just got into it again and can't seem to remember. HELP?
Amanda
skyechayse@gmail.com
63.18.157.234 wrote:
This is probably the longest running, unarchived thread I've ever seen. Kudos to you Mario fanatics. =D
63.18.157.234 wrote:
Oh, and Amanda...
The flutes are in the third level of world 1 (hold down while on the white block near the end, then run to the end and behind the black curtain)...and the second is in world 1 castle (fly above the door that you would normally take to the spike lowering room, go to the far right [above the screen and unseen] and flip your tail) this also defeats the castle.
Don't worry about the other whistle in level 2 as you only need two whistles to get to level eight...refer to above posts for help on that. =)
Kevin wrote:
I can't believe you are all arguing this out... didn't any of you see The Wizard? He obviously was using the powerglove... which is so much better than any other nintendo technology.
do the chickens have large talons
Boko wrote:
He broke my 14 minute record, damn him! =P
d_fens wrote:
it is faked he says it on his site. entire debates have been abou this. google it. several sites are also dedicated to this kind of emulator thing. it is basically done through thousands of save states. he said him self it took two years to make. i think as its been said that we can all enjoy it to for being simply amazing to watch tho. but it is a fake heres a link that me and some friends like. were big into this lol http://bisqwit.iki.fi/nesvideos/. but it really is amazing tho. check it out
Ryan wrote:
Guys, guys... I'm pretty sure the video didn't actually take two years to make. That was probably just the time during which Morimoto had been making time attacks in general. Most of the shorter time attacks on Bisqwit's site took only a few days, and the long ones or meticulously played ones took maybe a month or two at the worst.
Bisqwit's site also has a faster version of Super Mario Brothers 3, and a new version is on its way thanks to a newly discovered glitch. So you shouldn't be taking this video as the "fastest time ever", anyway.
I just wish people would actually go out and take the time to find the facts rather than pass around the same old links and debate ideas that have already been proven true or false.
amanda wrote:
how do you beat the mini castle in world 8... i just cant seem to figure it out right now
Fake. Incredibly well done fake, but fake. Look at how the wrench-thrower-guy re-spawns almost immediately the first time, and how slowly it re-spawns the second time, during 4:18 - 4:22
How they faked it is another matter. Either that's somebody with reflexes and timing beyond human, or they mapped the sounds/animation and animated it.