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Wow. Very very graphic images: abortionismurder.org. It is murder.

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me too wrote:

i must say, as these images are terrible, i think the person carrying the life should have the decision to do what she wants. how long someone is pregnant makes a difference, but i don't know the particulars. if someone is pregnant and wants to abort after 3 or 4 months, well, no, it isn't a good thing and i wouldn't allow it. i still believe that it is a persons choice however. no OTHER person should be able to make the decision about someone elses body. either way, baby or no, it is no ones decision but the person who owns the body, period.

∴ me too | 11-Mar-2002 10:49pm est | #63

Keith (http://www.keithdevens.com/) wrote:

Dude, listen to yourself for a minute: "it is no ones decision but the person who owns the body". It's a human being. No one owns it. Parents don't own their children!

And you contradict yourself: "no OTHER person should be able to make the decision about someone else's body". How about the mother choosing for her unborn child whether the child gets to live?

Finally, your choice of 3 or 4 months is altogether arbitrary. Why not go for the full 9 months? Or to choose a nice round number, why not be able to kill your kid with impunity within the first full year of its existence? And again, you contradict yourself, since you "wouldn't allow" an abortion after 3 or 4 months, but "no OTHER person should be able to make the decision about someone else's body".

Keith | 11-Mar-2002 11:28pm est | http://www.keithdevens.com/ | #64

Geek (http://www.geekblog.net) wrote:

Err. I now realize I am probably responsible for getting you there. Oops. Mike's link is actually http://www.mikemcbrideonline.com/blogger.html. Boy, that site is just... odd. Oh, and as I said in my comment on a previous post, by your own definition it is not murder.

∴ Geek | 12-Mar-2002 3:44am est | http://www.geekblog.net | #66

me (none) wrote:

i must clarify as you have confused my meanings.

"it is no ones decision but the person who owns the body".

- this refers to the body carrying the human being, not the human being that is being carried.

"no OTHER person should be able to make the decision about someone else's body".

-the person that is carrying the baby has the right to do with her body what she will and no one else, like a right-to-life advocate. i believe she has the last say. and this leads to the last thing you quoted. as i said, i don't know the particulars, meaning the life cycle of a baby within the womb across the timeline, which meant that the numbers, 3 or 4 months were absolutely arbitrary. i admit that. BUT 3 or 4 months, i would think, would be a pretty advanced pregnancy, therefore, i would say a person should not abort. i was trying to state an obvious number, that was all.

and finally "no other person" refers to no one except the person carrying the life. this should clear -most- things up.

∴ me | 12-Mar-2002 9:59am est | none | #68

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