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DeadAIM

I just started using DeadAIM. The documentation could use a little working on (I only found the manual through Google because it was only linked on the contact page), but otherwise it gets a thumbs up. I'm happy to have all my IM windows be tabs in one main IM window. I missed that from ICQ back in the day. Plus, everything gets logged automatically (bonus), and it can remove the crap from the bottom of my buddy list window (all the icons I never ever use). However, it removes the main advertisement at the top without giving you the option. The service is free, and I should at least have to see ads for it.

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Ben Margolin (http://www.prince.org/) wrote:

Or, you could just use <a href="http://www.trillian.cc/">trillian</a> which does all that AND supports multiple protocols.

∴ Ben Margolin | 11-Mar-2003 5:35am est | http://www.prince.org/ | #1529

ideoplastos (http://www.ideoplastos.net) wrote:

Trillian does not display AIM user profiles correctly nor does it display rich text during chats (only displays the font you choose... for both you and the person you're chatting with). Trillian's ability to support multiple protocols is definitely badass--it's its strongest selling point, but also its only (for me, at least) over DeadAIM.

∴ ideoplastos | 11-Mar-2003 11:33am est | http://www.ideoplastos.net | #1531

anonymous wrote:

yo it itsnt free anymore. this sucks you have to pay 1.50 to get deadaim

∴ anonymous | 20-May-2003 5:04pm est | #2082

Cat wrote:

Dude i d/l dead AIM before you had to pay for it... I think its bullshit that you have to pay a dollar 50 for it.. thats sum BULLSHYT

∴ Cat | 23-May-2003 3:46pm est | #2102

anonymous wrote:

AOL has problems with trillian hacking their protocol, how can deadaim get away with making money off it?!

Anyway gaim.sourceforge.net is always there.

∴ anonymous | 23-May-2003 3:50pm est | #2103

Keith (http://www.keithdevens.com/) wrote:

DeadAIM isn't a separate program that accesses AOL's network, like Trillian does. All it does is wrap Instant Messenger's windows in some of its own, so it still uses AOL's software underneath. So it has nothing to do with DeadAIM "hacking their protocol".

I don't think the author is trying to get "rich"... like he says: "Due to the popularity of DeadAIM and the lack of donations it has become necessary to charge a $1.50 download fee to cover our costs."

BTW, tried GAIM, didn't like it, unfortunately. It had some nice features, but the interface was too clunky, and it wound up taking up too much screen space.

Keith | 23-May-2003 4:00pm est | http://www.keithdevens.com/ | #2104

Sapphire wrote:

was DeadAIM free before? because it is currently not free.

I also tried GAIM.. i did not like it's appearance...

∴ Sapphire | 27-May-2003 3:22am est | #2111

Keith (http://www.keithdevens.com/) wrote:

DeadAIM used to be available for download for free, but like the quote I posted above says, it got too popular and therefore too costly for bandwidth.

The primary thing I don't like about GAIM is that you can't specify the log location. Other than that, the main window is just too big because of the huge icons they use...

Keith | 27-May-2003 4:01pm est | http://www.keithdevens.com/ | #2113

anonymous wrote:

http://www.big-o-software.com/products/aimplus/

AIM+ seems to be a good alternative. Haven't tried it myself yet.

∴ anonymous | 28-May-2003 9:34pm est | #2120

anonymous wrote:

it is crazy that you ahve to pay for deadaim. my friends and i have all downloaded it. now to get it on other computers i own i have to pay a 1.5 for each time i download it...that is some crazy shit. i hope whoever is making this mad money is putting it to charity or something good like that. MAKE IT FREE AGAIN DIPWAD!

∴ anonymous | 1-Jun-2003 10:47pm est | #2124

anonymous wrote:

To all you morons who are paying for it, try searching the web for mirrors and download it free from there still. It takes maybe an extra 2 seconds of your time.

It would also be a good idea to save the .exe so you won't have to bother with it again in the future.

∴ anonymous | 3-Jun-2003 9:52pm est | #2135

Zed wrote:

For all you people who claim all that cash is going into funding deadaim, check this out: http://www.cafeshops.com/DeadAIM/ cash is put into PRODUCTS featuring deadaim... buncha bullshit

∴ Zed | 5-Jun-2003 3:26pm est | #2146

Zed wrote:

By the way... i DID try searching the web for mirrors, and i got nothing but this and some other sites that lead back to jdennis.com

∴ Zed | 5-Jun-2003 3:28pm est | #2147

anonymous wrote:

AIM+ is not compatable with AIM 5.0

I just want free DeadAIM!!! Hasn't anyone figured out how to do that yet?

∴ anonymous | 14-Jun-2003 2:26am est | #2182

anonymous wrote:

Yeah!! Can't anyone just make it free again??? No one's gonna want to buy it now! Thats stupid!!!!

∴ anonymous | 16-Jun-2003 10:58am est | #2202

stupid wrote:

ok people thank me because im the best.......ur all stupid because i sercheched the web and found this,,, i a download directly from site for us to dl the FREE deadaim!!!! here it is

http://www.etplanet.com/download/aol_msn/DeadAIM%203.0.msi

∴ stupid | 17-Jun-2003 9:39pm est | #2215

stupid wrote:

ok well its in that web site =)

∴ stupid | 17-Jun-2003 9:40pm est | #2216

Reed wrote:

This sucks! I downloaded DeadAIM when it was free, but now they came out with DeadAIM 4.0! Does anyone know how to get it and/or have it and want to email it to me? Here is an idea...If you want DeadAIM and know someone who has it have them put it on a disk and give it to you or they can email it to you! Make sure they send you the installer not the actual program! Sweet...Huh? Hope that helps Smiley

∴ Reed | 20-Jun-2003 4:07pm est | #2231

Keith (http://www.keithdevens.com/) wrote:

I should really add a feature to my weblog that lets me turn off comments on posts...

Keith | 20-Jun-2003 4:21pm est | http://www.keithdevens.com/ | #2233

anonymous wrote:

deadaim is very good, its awesome. but in google and all the other websites say its free, but its not, not any more. i got it brfore it cost to download it, and now, when i wanted to get the new version, it tells me to pay, so jdennis can go kiss my ass and get his computer and shove it

∴ anonymous | 20-Jun-2003 10:18pm est | #2235

Keith (http://www.keithdevens.com/) wrote:

Sigh... hint not taken.

Keith | 20-Jun-2003 10:21pm est | http://www.keithdevens.com/ | #2236

Blondie wrote:

Yo, you're links broked.. It no work no more.. Comes up with some kinda "Leech" thing. Smiley frowning Double tear.. I want Free DeadAim back!

∴ Blondie | 1-Jul-2003 12:06am est | #2292

anonymous wrote:

why doesn't someone buy the newest version and offer it for free on there own website?

∴ anonymous | 3-Jul-2003 8:52am est | #2301

anonymous wrote:

this sucks

∴ anonymous | 3-Jul-2003 12:14pm est | #2305

anonymous wrote:

i hate having to pay for it

∴ anonymous | 3-Jul-2003 12:16pm est | #2306

anonymous wrote:

just pay for it you losers! it's 1.50!!!!! are you that poor?!?

∴ anonymous | 3-Jul-2003 12:17pm est | #2307

sparticus (http://www.iamsparticus.co.uk) wrote:

Hahaha, I can see keith now designing some close comments system for his cms.
I suppose it's one problem with having such a high google rating

∴ sparticus | 3-Jul-2003 5:27pm est | http://www.iamsparticus.co.uk | #2308

M. Bean wrote:

Ahh, I see 'sparticus' beat me to the punch... But I shall continue anyway (not like it's ever stopped me before Smiley winking)

See, Keith... these guys are a perfect example of why you need to implement the ability to lock/close threads or nuke individual posts.

While I, personally, am opposed to editing the ramblings of people, even idiots, I have no problem squelching comments out entirely (you will see this quite clearly in poking around my forums). And having the ability to close a thread off to future comments is quite useful as well.

In a site such as this, it might even be a good idea to have thread commenting automatically 'expire' after 4 days, or a week, or somesuch. I don't do this with my sites, but I've been seriously considering it. It keeps old muck from getting stirred back up.

∴ M. Bean | 3-Jul-2003 5:48pm est | #2309

anonymous wrote:

I have seen these rude comments and would like to say I use DeadAIM and got it for free. There are two ways to do this. You can do it how I did it and go to http://www.softnews.ro/public/cat/10/4/1/10-4-28.shtml or you can just ask one of your buddys on your buddy list that has it to send it to you. It is very simple and it only took me 2 days to figure it out. I am suprised by these people who dont even try to get or do somthing without yelling or blaming it on someone else. If you think I am some computer freak that think he knows it all then consider this... I am only 11 and am on the computer not that often. Good luck on who ever who is trying to find DeadAIM. Oh wait you don't even need luck for this one. Hehe.

∴ anonymous | 3-Jul-2003 8:36pm est | #2310

Keith (http://www.keithdevens.com/) wrote:

See, Keith... these guys are a perfect example of why you need to implement the ability to lock/close threads or nuke individual posts.

Trust me, I will be. I delete stupid comments all the time. For instance, those last three comments were actually from the same weirdo.

Plus, some posts just get too many anonymous people so I can't tell who said what, so I'm probably going to change the comments so that if someone doesn't enter a name it shows their IP address instead of anonymous.

I also have to implement two other things: 1. "throttling" to prevent both people commenting repeatedly so that, for instance, someone couldn't write a script and post thousands of comments, and 2. Something to prevent duplicate comments from being posted when people refresh the page and hit the button to resubmit form data.

Any other suggestions? Smiley

Keith | 3-Jul-2003 9:18pm est | http://www.keithdevens.com/ | #2311

M. Bean wrote:

point 1 is generally called a "Post Rate Limiter" and in most cases, they will autoban someone's IP for a day or two if they try to post 3 times within the cooldown period. http://shacknews.com/ does this in their insanely complex forum system.

If you haven't thought about it, point 2 is best done with a generated unique id for each page render that gets passed with the POST data. If this doesn't make any sense, ask me and I'll explain in greater detail.

∴ M. Bean | 3-Jul-2003 11:53pm est | #2314

Keith (http://www.keithdevens.com/) wrote:

If this doesn't make any sense, ask me and I'll explain in greater detail.

So you'd store the ID in the DB and check it on the next post? Why is that better than just comparing the value of all the fields?

Keith | 3-Jul-2003 11:56pm est | http://www.keithdevens.com/ | #2315

M. Bean wrote:

Aside from speed... I don't store the ID in the DB permanently... I generate a unique ID based on the time, and when a post gets submitted, the unique ID is added to a list, and sticks around for 10 minutes. (whenever a new post is submitted, before comparison, it deletes postid's that are older than 10 mins old, then you can do a blanket search without a conditional) If another post comes in with that ID, it ignores it. This prevents against both rapid posting by someone who tries to submit multiple messages from the same page without refreshing and it catches those accidental double-clicks.

This method can also be easily applied (timestamping+ip as a uniqueid) to that post-rate limiter that you're wanting to do, might I add. keep track of 2 fields, the time and IP, and you can stamp out both rapid fire posting AND double posts.

∴ M. Bean | 4-Jul-2003 1:14am est | #2316

Keith (http://www.keithdevens.com/) wrote:

Wow, neat technique! And if you generate a hash that's impossible for the user to guess (not just a concatenation of the timestamp and ip), then it's totally impossible to fake. Woo.

Where do you store the postid's for the last 10 minutes? Flat file, MySQL table, MySQL RAM table? Smiley

Keith | 4-Jul-2003 1:29am est | http://www.keithdevens.com/ | #2317

M. Bean wrote:

A single MySQL table, but there are arguments for flat files and RAM tables, I just did what was easiest and fastest for me to implement. And this is why I'm a "software architect" as opposed to a "programmer". Smiley winking

∴ M. Bean | 4-Jul-2003 6:19pm est | #2323

anonymous wrote:

Beep Beep

∴ anonymous | 4-Jul-2003 8:35pm est | #2325

anonymous wrote:

Comments deleted. No links to cracks, keygens, or any other illegal activity will be tolerated.

∴ anonymous | 7-Jul-2003 1:53am est | #2333

Keith (http://www.keithdevens.com/) wrote:

Grr... ethical question... should I allow comments that give instructions for stealing software to stay on my site?

Keith | 7-Jul-2003 2:08am est | http://www.keithdevens.com/ | #2334

Dan (http://www.bleedingego.co.uk/) wrote:

It's not really an ethical question, its more a legal one. As you are responsible for the content of your site its almost as if that comment was made by you. Better to remove it :-)

∴ Dan | 7-Jul-2003 3:54am est | http://www.bleedingego.co.uk/ | #2336

anonymous wrote:

i think you should show if you would want to download it

∴ anonymous | 7-Jul-2003 11:32am est | #2337

anonymous wrote:

Comments deleted. No links to cracks, keygens, or any other illegal activity will be tolerated.

∴ anonymous | 9-Jul-2003 6:34am est | #2360

M. Bean wrote:

You need to fix this asap, you can't have people advertising illegal software (keygen) on your site dude.

∴ M. Bean | 9-Jul-2003 6:35am est | #2361

Keith (http://www.keithdevens.com/) wrote:

Fixed. Assholes.

Keith | 9-Jul-2003 1:33pm est | http://www.keithdevens.com/ | #2367

comments deleted wrote:

Comments deleted. All further comments on this thread will be deleted, so don't bother.

∴ comments deleted | 18-Jul-2003 6:15pm est | #2451

M. Bean wrote:

Once again Keith... trolls. Make a thread-capper so you can lock this thread or something, you don't need people advocating the use of illegal software. Smiley frowning

∴ M. Bean | 18-Jul-2003 9:10pm est | #2452

Keith (http://www.keithdevens.com/) wrote:

Yeah, I know. It's way low on my priority list. I delete comments here all the time -- that'll have to do until I get a chance to write the "close comments on this post" feature.

Keith | 18-Jul-2003 10:57pm est | http://www.keithdevens.com/ | #2453

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